Its okay, US, those GPUs can be shipped to Europe. No need to make a detour. Last I checked we have shortages everywhere... :)

The Germans, French & British are just going to redirect their car industry to the army.
The rest will find new trade partners.
The US will enjoy a new Great Depression.

Inb4 a UK-Canada-EU superpower. Isolationism was cool in 1920.
South America looks able and willing, too, for trade expansion.

i'm sure this will make eggs cheaper!

Any minute now!

katzii'm sure this will make eggs cheaper!

Any minute now!

Speaking of which... something something about putting all your eggs in one basket... :toast:

Vayra86Its okay, US, those GPUs can be shipped to Europe. No need to make a detour. Last I checked we have shortages everywhere... :)

The Germans, French & British are just going to redirect their car industry to the army.
The rest will find new trade partners.
The US will enjoy a new Great Depression.

Inb4 a UK-Canada-EU superpower. Isolationism was cool in 1920.
South America looks able and willing, too, for trade expansion.

You might want to compare and contrast these images, and read the article linked in the image below, before coming to conclusions about who's going to be affected how..

katzii'm sure this will make eggs cheaper!

Any minute now!

I guess you didn't get the memo.

RandallFlaggYou might want to compare and contrast these images, and read the article linked in the image below, before coming to conclusions about who's going to be affected how..








I guess you didn't get the memo.

History repeats, that is all this is. The US didn't flourish under isolationism, some straight comparison of % exports isn't going to change that.

But, we'll see. Time will tell. There is one certainty, trust is easy to lose and hard to gain, and trust is gone. That all on its own represents a massive bill on the US itself.

If anything that comparison of % import/export tells us that the US already had domestic industry that is feeding itself. Why would that increase? The US imports things they simply don't make in sufficient quality themselves, like for example cars or high quality steel. The simple fact is, EU companies build better ones and so does Asia. Semiconductor technology: same story. We could go on... That brain drain isn't going to reverse itself because the US stops trading :D

Vayra86History repeats, that is all this is. The US didn't flourish under isolationism, some straight comparison of % exports isn't going to change that.

But, we'll see. Time will tell. There is one certainty, trust is easy to lose and hard to gain, and trust is gone. That all on its own represents a massive bill on the US itself.

If anything that comparison of % import/export tells us that the US already had domestic industry that is feeding itself. Why would that increase? The US imports things they simply don't make in sufficient quality themselves, like for example cars or high quality steel. The simple fact is, EU companies build better ones and so does Asia. Semiconductor technology: same story. We could go on... That brain drain isn't going to reverse itself because the US stops trading :D

Well if that's all you got, I'll leave you to your echo chamber,

RandallFlaggWell if that's all you got, I'll leave you to your echo chamber,

I hope you can see the irony in your statement there.

Which size of eggs are those in the chart? The price differs.
Here in EU, L (large 63-73g) sized eggs cost us 2,5Eur per 10 eggs. So it's 0,25 Eur per large egg.
Medium eggs (53-63g) cost about 2 Eur per 10 eggs.

Of course prices differ by how chicken are held. Like free chicken, or caged chicken.
Though, as far as i have seen, there are no more caged chicken eggs here.

3USD per dozen of eggs is 0,25 USD per egg. So pretty much same price as in EU, just no info on what size and the kind of chicken.

randomUserWhich size of eggs are those in the chart? The price differs.
Here in EU, L (large 63-73g) sized eggs cost us 2,5Eur per 10 eggs. So it's 0,25 Eur per large egg.
Medium eggs (53-63g) cost about 2 Eur per 10 eggs.

Of course prices differ by how chicken are held. Like free chicken, or caged chicken.
Though, as far as i have seen, there are no more caged chicken eggs here.

3USD per dozen of eggs is 0,25 USD per egg. So pretty much same price as in EU, just no info on what size and the kind of chicken.

I think these are the eggs he is referring to,



Prices definitely back to normal. Who needs chickens to lay them when you can get pink magical bunnies to do it.

HereticbarI think these are the eggs he is referring to,



Prices definitely back to normal. Who needs chickens to lay them when you can get pink magical bunnies to do it.

We already know of the alternative reality that exists on Elon's X, don't we ;)

Shame so many are in too deep. And retort with echo chamber something something. Hilarious. It brings back memories too, of something that happened in Europe some 80 years ago. A near religious belief in an alternative reality caused a whole population to go wild. The rhetoric looks similar 'we suffered badly from the last war'... Except now its not even based on anything real.

Vayra86History repeats, that is all this is. The US didn't flourish under isolationism, some straight comparison of % exports isn't going to change that.

But, we'll see. Time will tell. There is one certainty, trust is easy to lose and hard to gain, and trust is gone. That all on its own represents a massive bill on the US itself.

If anything that comparison of % import/export tells us that the US already had domestic industry that is feeding itself. Why would that increase? The US imports things they simply don't make in sufficient quality themselves, like for example cars or high quality steel. The simple fact is, EU companies build better ones and so does Asia. Semiconductor technology: same story. We could go on... That brain drain isn't going to reverse itself because the US stops trading :D

Trust? Previous US administrations have let the US get walked all over. Other countries tariffs on the USA are vast and many.

Anyone that understands what is going on right now knows it isn't about isolationism. And even though the President talks about bringing production back to the USA he knows it can't be done probably even during his administration.

This is about forcing the hands of those that haven't treated the USA as an equal and tariff all our products. It is about forcing them to negotiate so that the USA can participate in fair trade and by bringing down the prices of USA good in other countries by reducing tariffs it can lead to more product being traded to those countries. As with all commerce you have supply and demand. If the USA products have large tariffs imposed on them it means they are more expensive. Lower those prices and demand increases.

This is about forcing negotiation to force the other countries to reduce their tariffs on the USA so that prices can decrease so that more product can be exported and sold with proper margins and profit.

It is all a tactic. Many countries are already talking about negotiating. If enough of them negotiate it forces the hands of the holdouts because they will be on the outside looking in. The holdouts will also get the worse deals, while the first to the table will get the best.

I wish most schools still required courses on economics. It seems most of the people don't understand its concepts very well.

The President is runs his mouth way to often with to many things. People need to look more often at his real results and not the platter of garbage the media puts out. Do your own real research. Neither side of the media provides accurate news. In this day of news as entertainment you have to verify the news on your own most times through various outlets.

dlgh7Trust? Previous US administrations have let the US get walked all over. Other countries tariffs on the USA are vast and many.

Anyone that understands what is going on right now isn't about isolationism. And even though the President talks about bringing production back to the USA he knows it can't be done probably even during his administration.

This is about forcing the hands of those that haven't treated the USA as an equal and tariff all our products. It is about forcing them to negotiate so that the USA can participate in fair trade and by bringing down the prices of USA good in other countries by reducing tariffs it can lead to more product being traded to those countries. As with all commerce you have supply and demand. If the USA products have large tariffs imposed on them it means they are more expensive. Lower those prices and demand increases.

This is about forcing negotiation to force the other countries to reduce their tariffs on the USA so that prices can decrease so that more product can be exported and sold with proper margins and profit.

It is all a tactic. Many countries are already talking about negotiating. If enough of them negotiate it forces the hands of the holdouts because they will be on the outside looking in. The holdouts will also get the worse deals, while the first to the table will get the best.

I wish most schools still required courses on economics. It seems most of the people don't understand its concepts very well.

The negotiating is damage control, to prevent further escalation because it costs everyone money.
If you want to sell something you need to have something countries want to buy. They want to buy it either because;
- they can't make it themselves
- making it is too expensive

Now reflect on what you just said, and how this supposed tactic plays out. The world's bigger than the US and there are lots of emerging markets. You can try to magically reason around reality with one liners like 'you don't know what you're talking about' and 'echo chamber' and 'you'll see...! Any minute now!' but that's really not an argument is it.

I still remember when political posts got deleted, and no one could say anything about the US. Are the mods all in a coma or something happened? :D

If everyone is doing it i guess it's ok now. The US is not a trusted partner (never was, but their true colours are a bit more obvious now) and that will lead to the fall of the empire, and it's about time. As a European i love Trump.

Vayra86Its okay, US, those GPUs can be shipped to Europe. No need to make a detour. Last I checked we have shortages everywhere... :)

The Germans, French & British are just going to redirect their car industry to the army.
The rest will find new trade partners.
The US will enjoy a new Great Depression.

Inb4 a UK-Canada-EU superpower. Isolationism was cool in 1920.
South America looks able and willing, too, for trade expansion.

depression in the US means depression for most other countries. It is a globalized world you like it or not

dlgh7Trust? Previous US administrations have let the US get walked all over. Other countries tariffs on the USA are vast and many.

Anyone that understands what is going on right now isn't about isolationism. And even though the President talks about bringing production back to the USA he knows it can't be done probably even during his administration.

This is about forcing the hands of those that haven't treated the USA as an equal and tariff all our products. It is about forcing them to negotiate so that the USA can participate in fair trade and by bringing down the prices of USA good in other countries by reducing tariffs it can lead to more product being traded to those countries. As with all commerce you have supply and demand. If the USA products have large tariffs imposed on them it means they are more expensive. Lower those prices and demand increases.

This is about forcing negotiation to force the other countries to reduce their tariffs on the USA so that prices can decrease so that more product can be exported and sold with proper margins and profit.

It is all a tactic. Many countries are already talking about negotiating. If enough of them negotiate it forces the hands of the holdouts because they will be on the outside looking in. The holdouts will also get the worse deals, while the first to the table will get the best.

I wish most schools still required courses on economics. It seems most of the people don't understand its concepts very well.

Silly populist identity propaganda you fell for, probably because of your personal complexes.

Trump's numbers are completely made up. Short-term tactics suggested by chatbots (which the chatbots themselves branded as naive).

It's funny how his naive advocates like to brag about their deeper 'knowledge.'

fevgatosdepression in the US means depression for most other countries. It is a globalized world you like it or not

Absolutely, but what's most interesting is how fast countries turn that around again, how severe the hit really is and how deep it runs. And to do that, you need a perspective. We have tons of perspectives and potential in the EU to drive a huge economical growth engine (remilitarization, developing domestic tech giants to fill the trust gap that has arisen as our enterprises and even governments run on Microsoft's cloud, or AWS, and an overall baseline of high quality, low climate impact production - which is a unique selling point highly sought after). Asia, similarly. But a US that has started looking inward and wants to become a China 2.0 wrt home made industry and reinvigorate fossil economies in the face of global climate impact reduction? I guess we're in Musks' Ludicrous drive mode, just go fast and see when you're out of range. The US exports services. Services that rely on trust. They're about to put the axe on their primary export earnings model here. It'll be funny to see how the Tech Bros are going to like that. Tesla's already doing well for itself.

Candles always burn wildly before they go out. We have led candles now. Time to move on.

dlgh7This is about forcing negotiation to force the other countries to reduce their tariffs on the USA so that prices can decrease so that more product can be exported and sold with proper margins and profit.

It is all a tactic. Many countries are already talking about negotiating. If enough of them negotiate it forces the hands of the holdouts because they will be on the outside looking in. The holdouts will also get the worse deals, while the first to the table will get the best.

I wish most schools still required courses on economics. It seems most of the people don't understand its concepts very well.

You don't get people to the table by ripping up trade agreements. No one wants to deal with a trade partner that will arbitrarily change the terms or flip the table.

I seem to remember Trump bragging about making the best deals including the USMCA he signed. His deals are the best, then suddenly they are the worst and he had nothing to do with them. His guys are the best and then they are suddenly the worst, he doesn't know him.

FYI America already had free trade deals in place to reduce tariffs, here is a small sample:

USMCA:

Automobiles & Auto Parts - 0% Tariff if 75% of parts originate from North America (up from 62.5% under NAFTA). Mexico eliminates 10% tariff on U.S. auto exports.
Dairy - eliminates 200-300% tariffs on U.S. dairy products, allowing up to 3.6% of its dairy market to U.S. suppliers.
Poultry & Eggs - U.S. can export 57,000 metric tons of chicken to Canada tariff-free (rising to 62,000 by 2026).
Egg exports - 10 million dozen tariff-free, increasing by 1% annually.
Wheat - Canada removes higher-grading advantage for domestic wheat over U.S. wheat.
0% tariffs on digital products (e-books, music, videos, cloud services). This one is massive given the number of services US provides worldwide from Google, Apple, Adobe, etc.

KORUS (United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement)

Automobiles - South Korea eliminated 8% tariff on U.S. car imports. U.S. maintains 2.5% tariff on Korean car imports until 2041.

Beef - Tariff phased down from 40% (2012) to 16% (2023), with complete elimination by 2026.
Pork - Most U.S. pork cuts 0% tariff since 2016.

Wine - South Korea removed 15% tariff on U.S. wine.
Cheese & Dairy - 36% tariff phased out over 15 years.
Medical Devices & Pharmaceuticals - 0% tariff on U.S. medical equipment and drugs.

CAFTA-DR (Central America-Dominican Republic Free Trade Agreement)

Apparel & Textiles - 0% tariffs on U.S. yarns & fabrics used in Central American-made apparel.
Wheat, Corn, Rice - Tariffs phased out completely by 2020.
Pork - 15% tariff eliminated by 2020.
Dairy - 40% tariffs on cheese and milk phased out over 20 years.
Wine & Spirits - 15-30% tariffs eliminated immediately.
Electrical machinery, equipment, and medical devices now tariff-free.

- WTO's CAA stipulates that aircraft and aircraft parts be tariff and duty free
Automobiles & Auto Parts – Duty-free if they meet regional content rules (75% of components from North America).

Please delineate to the audience the specifics of what products Trump wants countries to lower tariffs on. I'll wait.

FYI Trade deficit does not equal bad.

RandallFlaggYou might want to compare and contrast these images, and read the article linked in the image below, before coming to conclusions about who's going to be affected how..








I guess you didn't get the memo.

US export massively.... services. Which is not in your chart.

guess what is going to be taxed in the foreign countries?

dlgh7Trust? Previous US administrations have let the US get walked all over. Other countries tariffs on the USA are vast and many.

Anyone that understands what is going on right now knows it isn't about isolationism. And even though the President talks about bringing production back to the USA he knows it can't be done probably even during his administration.

This is about forcing the hands of those that haven't treated the USA as an equal and tariff all our products. It is about forcing them to negotiate so that the USA can participate in fair trade and by bringing down the prices of USA good in other countries by reducing tariffs it can lead to more product being traded to those countries. As with all commerce you have supply and demand. If the USA products have large tariffs imposed on them it means they are more expensive. Lower those prices and demand increases.

This is about forcing negotiation to force the other countries to reduce their tariffs on the USA so that prices can decrease so that more product can be exported and sold with proper margins and profit.

It is all a tactic. Many countries are already talking about negotiating. If enough of them negotiate it forces the hands of the holdouts because they will be on the outside looking in. The holdouts will also get the worse deals, while the first to the table will get the best.

I wish most schools still required courses on economics. It seems most of the people don't understand its concepts very well.

The President is runs his mouth way to often with to many things. People need to look more often at his real results and not the platter of garbage the media puts out. Do your own real research. Neither side of the media provides accurate news. In this day of news as entertainment you have to verify the news on your own most times through various outlets.

sure, you can be naive and gulible and believe what they are telling you. Or you can think by yourself.

Negotiation with countries would have been a reasonable if you take 1 country, impose a huge tarrif, and then negotiate with say country, who do not want to see other countries taking over their share in the US consumption.

Now, imagine that you raise price for ALL countries. This is not a concern anymore.

Now, what is being made is basically a ~20% GST/VAT on almost all goods (excluding the ones fully made from bottom to end in the US - which is not important), paid by.... the middle/lower class US citizens.
All of that to be able to cut tax for the rich people.

And you voted from him. Congrats. Bet you ll change your vote in 2 years!

2sd kisscool effect: other countries will raise tax from the US only, making US export tank (even if its only 10%, 10% is still a lot of money).

On the plus side, a full blown depression will lower carbon emissions.

Bomby569I still remember when political posts got deleted, and no one could say anything about the US. Are the mods all in a coma or something happened? :D

If everyone is doing it i guess it's ok now. The US is not a trusted partner (never was, but their true colours are a bit more obvious now) and that will lead to the fall of the empire, and it's about time. As a European i love Trump.

The US has been the most trusted partner. Why do you think most countries around the world don't spend a large portion of their GDP on military? Because the USA has been footing the bill. Nato, the UN, non of it exists without the financing of the USA. The USA has more people in the National Guard then Canada has in their whole military. Canada has fewer then 100 tanks. The USA has 5,500+ not to mention those on loan or given to other countries.

The US government and charitable non profits from the US provide a large majority of the Aid that is seen across the world.

Want to know why other countries can spend so much on social programs? Because the USA pays and protects their country so they don't spend that money themselves.

If the USA fell there is no country to take its place. It would be anarchy. The countries of the world depend on the money from the USA and the military. Without the USA South Korea would be gone tomorrow, Ukraine and other countries gone tomorrow, and China would at least take Taiwan.

All the while places like the UK are trying to make sure their are no pointy objects for people because they have allowed people with bad intentions into their country and think that if they remove pointy objects those people will be detoured from doing bad things. That will never happen.

Oh please, we've been over this literally a gazillion times! The vast majority of US imports are from home grown brands ~ Apple, Walmart, Amazon, Dell, AMD, HP, Intel, Google, Nvidia, MS(?) et al. If the yanks weren't hell bent on consuming every effin thing at the cheapest rates possible China or indeed a lot of SE Asia wouldn't have to pay "slave labor" salaries to their workforce :rolleyes:

And then you teach us about unfair trade, at least have some shame about when you're lying as blatantly as this :shadedshu:

New Firmware update release notes: It is now patriotic to pay higher prices for everything because the dear leader said so.

dlgh7The US has been the most trusted partner. Why do you think most countries around the world don't spend a large portion of their GDP on military? Because the USA has been footing the bill. Nato, the UN, non of it exists without the financing of the USA. The USA has more people in the National Guard then Canada has in their whole military. Canada has fewer then 100 tanks. The USA has 5,500+ not to mention those on loan or given to other countries.

The US government and charitable non profits from the US provide a large majority of the Aid that is seen across the world.

Want to know why other countries can spend so much on social programs? Because the USA pays and protects their country so they don't spend that money themselves.

If the USA fell there is no country to take its place. It would be anarchy. The countries of the world depend on the money from the USA and the military. Without the USA South Korea would be gone tomorrow, Ukraine and other countries gone tomorrow, and China would at least take Taiwan.

All the while places like the UK are trying to make sure their are no pointy objects for people because they have allowed people with bad intentions into their country and think that if they remove pointy objects those people will be detoured from doing bad things. That will never happen.

its called "softpower".
Seems that the orange mob boss does not understand the point.

Yes it costs, but on the other hand, you can sell your weapons and services to half of the planet, and control them in a way. So at the end of the day, it is money well spent.

Thats being changing (thanks to the aforementionned orange mob boss), and you ll understand why it was so important.

dlgh7Because the USA pays and protects their country so they don't spend that money themselves.

Oh zip it, you sent a warship (sub?) during 1971 war threatening to nuke India ~ you wanna talk about protecting others when you've bombed more than a million civilians into absolute nothing post WWII & for what democracy? Give me a fucking break!

dlgh7The US has been the most trusted partner. Why do you think most countries around the world don't spend a large portion of their GDP on military? Because the USA has been footing the bill. Nato, the UN, non of it exists without the financing of the USA. The USA has more people in the National Guard then Canada has in their whole military. Canada has fewer then 100 tanks. The USA has 5,500+ not to mention those on loan or given to other countries.

The US government and charitable non profits from the US provide a large majority of the Aid that is seen across the world.

Want to know why other countries can spend so much on social programs? Because the USA pays and protects their country so they don't spend that money themselves.

If the USA fell there is no country to take its place. It would be anarchy. The countries of the world depend on the money from the USA and the military. Without the USA South Korea would be gone tomorrow, Ukraine and other countries gone tomorrow, and China would at least take Taiwan.

All the while places like the UK are trying to make sure their are no pointy objects for people because they have allowed people with bad intentions into their country and think that if they remove pointy objects those people will be detoured from doing bad things. That will never happen.

See, its really a bubble of misguided information these people tap from. One simple search delivers this. Scroll past them all, its interesting! And it shows a far more nuanced image.



armedforces.eu/compare/country_European_Union_EU_vs_USA