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A dozen drivers for HD4670, and which do I choose?

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I'm about to swap out my Nvidia for another old ATI graphics card. Apparently, quite a few manufacturers produced an "HD4670", and there are just as many drivers to choose from. The AMD site offers a "AMD_Catalyst_13.4_Legacy_Beta_WinXP.exe" for download (whatever Catalyst is?), and also a "ATI HD4670 13-1-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql.exe" file depending on how you navigate through their mess of a website.

From other webbies I also found;
"13-12_xp32_dd_ccc.exe"
"ATI HD4670 14-4-xp32-64-dd-ccc-pack1.exe" (and Pack2 and 3 files for newer OS's)
and many, many more....

Some of the files I downloaded are archives, but most are executable.

My particular card has a big ATI sticker on the fan, and the little sticker on the back says:

PN 288-DE101-440BD
1G DDR3 PCI-E HDMI/DVI/VGA

This image is very close to what I have on the bench. The fan has a 2pin plug directly into the GPU.

So what would be the safe driver package to go for on my old XP32 Pro system?
 

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thats very easy
I've been told and read now, that this GPU is well supported by the Linux Mint 22.1 Installed here. On the other hand, folks have had problems with Windows drivers. Can you please post a link to the above snapshot?
 
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I swapped out the GPU's about 5 hours ago, and haven't had any luck with display driver yet. There are now a dozen failures in the recycle bin, and 2 more duds yet to be moved there.

I've tried versions from 11-12 thru 14-4 and always get the BSOD after reboot except for the last one I tried. V.13-4 did not BSOD because all it installed was that Catalyst garbage and no driver!

A lot of these packages cause Windows to find a "High Def. Audio Device" as well, but then when I point directly at the embedded drivers, Windows says it can't find the software.

I hadn't seen a BSOD in probably 20 years till I played with that GPU-Z program, and now every ATI display driver I try to install. Is AMD the keystone cops of display drivers or what???
 
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Since I keep getting the same Page_Fault error, is ATI trying to load data into a specific area of Ram that another process has already staked a claim on? Or could it be using the Windows Pagefile instead? (mine is on a Fat32 drive even though Windows is installed on an NTFS drive).

At first I was installing the entire package, but I got tired of uninstalling those so I switched to just extracting the package and trying to install the driver through Device Mgr. (also tried just double clicking the INF file.)

It's bed time here......
 
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For WinXP you want to use anything from 10.2-11.10 or just 12.1, ignore all the later Catalyst releases. Earlier releases back to and including 9.1 can also work but you don't want to go back too far because you'll end up rolling back API feature support and major bug fixes on those older driver versions.

The AMD site offers a "AMD_Catalyst_13.4_Legacy_Beta_WinXP.exe" for download (whatever Catalyst is?), and also a "ATI HD4670 13-1-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql.exe" file depending on how you navigate through their mess of a website.

Decoding releases is pretty simple and straightforward; Catalyst is the software suite, sometimes also referred to by the name of the utility Catalyst Control Center (CCC), and the number is the year and month of the driver build. 12.1 is January 2012, as an example. Just like NVIDIA at that time had ForceWare, then a release number. One of the above, 13.4, is the last official patch driver version but it was only released with beta status since it only contains minor patches for HD 4000 series cards. 13.1 is the last official full driver build for that generation, with the appropriate release signatures and such.

The problem you are going to hit on WinXP is NVIDIA's drivers are extremely unfriendly with everyone else's drivers, and their watchdog and configuration process will always start up and run before ATi's (atieclxx.exe) can. So NVIDIA is loading in and causing your ATi install to wig out and die. That's 99% of the BSOD right there. The remaining 1% might be related to toolbars/accessories you may have installed already, such as nTune.

Did you try to use an older version of DDU to remove the driver remains?
Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) V18.0.0.4 Released ! - Wagnardsoft Forum

Do this immediately, wipe out BOTH the NVIDIA drivers and whatever half-loaded ATi drivers you've tried slamming through the system. Start fresh, and go install 11.10 as your starting driver. Once that works you can either stop poking at it, or if there's a specific desire to use later 12.x release drivers for some reason you can go grab 12.1.
 
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Did you try to use an older version of DDU to remove the driver remains?

Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) V18.0.0.4 Released ! - Wagnardsoft Forum
Nope. Came across it in earlier reading, but the links always took me to a version that required Win7 x64 or greater. But I did D/L and check this older file. Even though I had uninstalled the Display Device and the Audio Device that Windows keeps adding to the hardware list in Device Manager, and used “Add or Remove Programs” to remove any current Catalyst software, and manually removed any folders left over, and ran CCleaner to clear out the registry, for both AMD and Nvidia remnants, and rebooted more times than I can count now, I did run this older version in both Safe Mode (first), and then again in Normal boot. Same result both times.

For WinXP you want to use anything from 10.2-11.10 or just 12.1, ignore all the later Catalyst releases.
I have yet to find a driver download that does NOT include the Catalyst stuff. Including all 3 versions you just mentioned.

Some of these driver packages don’t even install anything. On one of the packages I ended up with an empty install directory. On others it would install files, but no shortcuts anywhere, and when I ran any of the .exe’s from the install directory nothing at all would happen.

Of all the packages I’ve installed via the Setup.exe, only 2 of them offered to actually install a driver from the (custom) install list. Instead they offer Catalyst Manager, Hyperdrive, a free game, and of course Audio drivers for the video card. Next year I guess they’ll have video drivers for the printer too?

The only things I can imagine might be an issue is the fact that I’m using a Pagefile, (which should not be a problem at all), or the PAE extension used so that Windows uses all of my Ram.

After all the drivers I’ve installed for various devices since XP came out, I have never seen such trouble with a simple task as this. Maybe the video card itself has issues, but the 800x600 resolution (which I’m getting quite sick of) seems to be doing fine.
 

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I have yet to find a driver download that does NOT include the Catalyst stuff. Including all 3 versions you just mentioned.

They are all Catalyst. That's the name of both the distribution and the control center. If you don't want Catalyst Control Center, don't install it, just deselect it from the advanced install menu. You won't find any driver download that is not called Catalyst; that is quite literally the name of that series of drivers just as Crimson was in 2016 and Adrenalin is now.

This is not a terribly difficult task on its own, and I'm starting to wonder if you have done something to your install in the past that is breaking things, or perhaps you aren't running a properly updated install of XP, maybe SP2? Maybe missing later .NET? But even Catalyst 10.2 works on a stripped SP2 without any complaint, it's only the Catalyst Control Center itself that requires any later updates (which, again, is an optional install and not required).

If the older versions of DDU that support XP are crashing than you are likely missing something critical.

Some of these driver packages don’t even install anything. On one of the packages I ended up with an empty install directory. On others it would install files, but no shortcuts anywhere, and when I ran any of the .exe’s from the install directory nothing at all would happen.

Any time you don't see the 'ATi Driver' in the setup screen it is because either your card is not correctly initialized (code 10/code 43) or not supported by that driver. However, every single version of Catalyst that I listed does support the HD 4670. I'm curious to see your download history because I can't fathom how you've ended up with so many drivers that don't support your card. Pulling on random .EXEs also won't install a driver, you need the setup utility to do its thing or you need to go through Device Manager, choose to install your own driver manually, tell it you have the disk, and point Windows to the directory that the driver was unpacked into.

I've run HD 4000 series cards in XP a bunch of times over the years, usually with Catalyst 9.1 or Catalyst 10.2 by personal choice, and they just work.
 
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My D/L history clears when the browser closes, and I had also emptied the trash once along the way, but here are the packages still on my system. All of them behaved differently, and of course none of them gave me joy.

ATI HD4670 14-4-xp32-64-dd-ccc-pack1
13-12_xp32_dd_ccc.exe
AMD_Catalyst_13.4_Legacy_Beta_WinXP
XP_8.582-090203a-075908C-ATI.zip
13-9_xp32_dd_ccc_whql
ATI HD4670 13-1-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql
13-1-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql
XP_8.911-111025a-128241C-ATI.zip
11-12_xp32_dd_ccc_enu
10-2_xp32_dd_ccc_wdm_enu.exe

I have .NET Framework v1.1 thru 4.0 (with updates and hotfix’s) installed. This was an XP Pro SP3 install, and then (about 5 years ago) I “updated” with the “Unofficial Windows XP SP4”. So the system should have any and all updates MS ever put out for this OS.

I’ve always used the Custom Setup, and tried to install only the display driver, but on most of the packages, there wasn’t a display driver in the list. And from memory, most of them had the “Catalyst Manager” grayed out so I had no choice on that.

It doesn’t make sense that so many of these driver packs would fail, but I’m not alone. I’ve read about others who have had similar experiences. Unfortunately, none of those threads were marked Solved.

There’s a conflict happening somewhere, and I’m not quite done looking for it, but this is becoming frustrating.
 
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